Bottle @ Van Moll Brewpub shared by the brewer. Lightly hazy orange color, average to medium sized rough white to off-white head that diminishes fairly quickly. Aroma is lightly malts, some yeast, some orangepeel and grapepeel sour-bitter. Appears to have a slight infection. Taste lightly malts, again a touch of orangepeel, soft sweetness, again some yeast. A bit thin bodied, average carbonation.

Bottle shared by the brewer @ Van Moll Brewpub. Opaque dark brown to black color, average sized light brown head. Aroma is malts, some hops, pretty yeasty unfortunately and some leaves. Taste malts, lightly roasted malts, only the slightest touch of hops, nicely bitter, a bit earthy. Medium body and carbonation. Aroma needs quite some work, flavor needs more hops to compete with the malts and roast.